I'm a professional caregiver and work with a lot of clients with dementia. Some have been verbally abusive, but I usually can let it roll off or let them know what they said was unkind and they apologize. My current client is mean to all 3 caregivers and he lives with family that won't step in and correct him. Today he called me a name for touching him to assist with transfer. It upsets me because he does this at least once a day about something. He has a short fuse. His family feels that it's all Dementia and I should accept it. They feel it would do no good to ask him to stop. Today I dropped him as a client and the family isn't happy. I understand sometimes Dementia causes behavioral issues, but if the family could ask him to be nice it'd help. Don't you agree?
“I am not quitting. I am just not playing anymore.”
Don’t waste your time doing something that you don’t want to do.
If your heart isn’t in something, perhaps you shouldn’t do it.
You deserve respect from his family.
So, yes, I do agree. Some caregivers need to weigh the income with the client's behavior. I was in this situation for three years - mean, rude, angry, tantrums. Even though this was an aspect of dementia, she DID apologize afterwards. I told her - and I (did) charged her for reserved time, and if I left early due to her outbursts or inappropriate behavior, she would be responsible to pay me for the shift. Financially I could not leave this position, and I loved the work itself (care management, organizational management) and when the client was not activated, she was really 'nice' and we got along very well, especially politically (both very liberal). However, it was a tough three years.
You have to examine you own feelings and decide if finances are involved with your decision making. I believe the client AND the family need to respect their caregivers. Of course, with dementia, we need to accept certain behaviors - and take a break to shift / reset, emotionally and psychologically. It often is NOT an easy job, esp with severe dementia.
I am glad that you dropped him. You deserve to be respected, esp by the family, for what you are doing (very hard work). gena
You may be a doormat and take abuse, people with self-respect who do not need that job for financial reasons absolutely need to leave. This shows SELF respect. It is up to the family to find caregivers. I believe this person is in the 'right' occupation.
I believe your response has everything to do with your own experience(s) with family and/or caregiving; it has nothing to do with this woman asking the question here.
Honey, let’s be real here, this is dementia.
The issue is likely 50% the family and their reaction and perhaps the caregiver staying on accepting this abuse way too long. And, being real - here's a realty check. Some people with dementia are kind, or at least manageable with supportive families (supporting and appreciating the caregiver). Whether or not a caregiver can work with someone depends on the type of dementia and severity. Caregivers are generally in demand due to the aging population and work for low pay and in often difficulty situations.
His family will find the right fit.
She also understands that he is not going to change.
We should all be understanding of why she would not want to be constantly treated rudely. Life is too short.
As for them asking him to be nice - you've worked with dementia patients, but they are not all the same. Many can be easy to work with. My mother was. She had her moments, but it goes with the territory. Sometimes they can be asked to be nice, but there's no guarantee. As noted in many posts, when we've met or worked with one dementia patient, we've worked with one dementia patient!
Perhaps the family has tried to correct him in the past and it hasn't worked. If they are present when he "misbehaves", they could be more supportive and understanding of how this impacts the care-giver. I had often expressed my thanks and gave them kudos for what they do. It is NOT an easy job. Clearly the family couldn't provide the needed care, which is why they hired you and the others. That doesn't mean they should ignore it, but again, more often than not trying to correct the patient's behavior or things they say usually doesn't work and often can result in even more negative behavior.
If you run into a similar situation, it might be worth having a discussion with the family. If they aren't open to discussion, it might be best to move on. If they indicate they've tried various correction methods and nothing has worked, this is likely going to continue to be an issue. The discussion might include asking if they've considered asking the doctor(s) for some kind of medication to help reduce the anxiety or difficulties. Not all medications will work, but it would be worth asking.
I can't agree that trying to correct the client's behaviour is the right approach. For one thing it's very unlikely to make the slightest difference. For another, this man is in his home, and within legal bounds can speak and act how he pleases - he doesn't have to be "nice" (and you don't have to put up with his not being nice).
We - I say we because I know my co-workers would also do this - try instead to identify and avoid triggers. Our managers warn us in advance if a client is likely to be rude, verbally abusive or inappropriate in language; if there's any risk of anything worse, we work in pairs and are instructed not to enter the property on our own.
And we do see quite a lot of "problem" clients - we can often spot them at a glance, from the three joy-inspiring words "Agency Hand-Back." In all seriousness I see the challenge as one of the advantages of the team I work for. We have three categories of client - Reablement (which is our actual mission, and the majority of our work); Urgent Care (crisis support, which can include end-of-life care, bereavement, life-changing events, caregiver breakdown etc); and the above named Agency Hand-Back, which tends to be a bit of a revolving door situation - we sort a client out, another local provider gets conned or schmoozed into taking him on, three months later back he bounces onto our rounds to universal rejoicing hem-hem, and round we go again.
But there is huge satisfaction to finding approaches that such people can tolerate and are happy with, so that they can then be provided with the support they need in a way that they'll accept.
One lady, who'd bitten my head off for an hour straight, finally said "is it you again tomorrow?" It should have been (it wasn't, as it turned out, which I regret but couldn't help), so I said "it may well be, yes." She said "I suppose I can put up with that." There was a pause. Then she added quietly "if you can put up with me."
I took this as a great compliment, but it also made me sad. This lady was - okay, she was a bit of a monster - but also in pain, not able to mobilise independently, lively-minded but bored, and sick to the back teeth of cack-handed strangers barging into her room and knocking all her books on the floor. YES she would have done better to let us move the books. YES the answer to not knocking over the photo frames might have been not to keep them on the window sill behind her incredibly heavy curtains. YES there are all sorts of handy storage units that would have been much more user-friendly than an 18th century oak press. But at the bottom of her sour temper and uninhibited rudeness was the real grievance that people didn't really try to get it right.
It's almost to late to bother about it, and I stick to my first answer which is that if you're not happy with an assignment you absolutely don't have to accept it; but you say this gentleman has a short fuse, and that today he called you a name (how bad a name? Anything actionable?) when you stepped in to support a transfer. Would you be interested in theory in returning to this family if you could resolve the issue?
"But there is huge satisfaction to finding approaches that such people can tolerate and are happy with, so that they can then be provided with the support they need in a way that they'll accept. "
You see the challenge, and how to overcome it.
I'm an in-home caregiver for many years myself and will say that you were right to drop him from your service. I've dropped clients myself when their behavior became too abusive.
Your client's family should have been correcting him all along every time he behaves abusively to the caregivers. Even if they tell him later on after you leave it won't do any good because he may not remember his behavior from before.
What he might remember is a habit being established. If he's corrected by the family members every time he starts up with the caregivers, it may be that he'll come to expect it and will not be so abusive to them. The other caregivers should quit too. Maybe if the family can't get help anymore they will start doing their part of the care which in cases like yours is defending the caregiver from abuse.
Caregivers like yourself are doing a tremendously tough job and you deserve respect. Even if the client themselves doesn’t change, it is still good for the family to speak up and let the caregiver know that their effort is appreciated.
enough .However as the wife of someone with AD , someone I’ve been married to for over 54 years , someone who had only been kind and loving and complimentary throughout our marriage , I can only say that this disease can make them someone they’ve never been before .
I’m not superwoman and yes my feelings get hurt when he calls me names I never even knew he knew but unlike an outside caregiver I know the man that was . I love him for those years of love and joy he gave me . Could I do it for a
stranger ? Probably not . But from his Doctors , extensive reading and these groups , I know his brain is broken and he cannot control it . Reprimand him ? He doesn’t even remember saying nasty things so that would do no good . So that being said we do what we are capable of and sometimes more than we thought we ever could .
Since this is not someone you’ve shared an entire life with , and even for people who have , we all have different breaking points . But don’t expect the family to work miracles and cure a broken mind .
I remember being approached by a caregiver once, about one of my relatives and I was not in the least surprised that they had been insulted. I was more surprised that they had been with my relative for months before it happened!
It doesn't mean it is acceptable of course but years of abuse, prior to the dementia, might mean a family who have been too scared to tackle him in the past, or just too used to it, to be offended.
You should not have to put up with abuse from clients. There is a difference between the random swearing of dementia and the really nasty aggressive stuff that is very upsetting - it sounds like you experienced the latter.
I think you did the right thing to walk away from it.
If this guy is mean to all the caregivers, there is a pretty good chance he is equally, or more so, mean to his family. You're dealing with a broken brain. You will find some posts here that tell you to correct the behavior and not tolerate it. Impossible. It's a broken brain. If they see a person sitting on a tree limb outside their window watching them all day, you will never convince them otherwise. Their brain sees the person in the tree. Yours doesn't. Some dementia patients get mean, accuse their own family of stealing an item (that they misplaced or hasn't existed in years), tell wild stories about the (devoted) spouse having affairs with the nurses or nonexistent visitors. So many families have their hearts broken over things a dementia patient said to them.
It is very possible this family has learned to refrain from arguing with him or trying to set him straight. The arguing can go on for hours and will just move from one subject to another with no end to the conversation. Patient gets more upset and family really gets upset at not being able to reason w/the patient
This is a very hard disease for the patient, and especially hard for the family who watches them disappear. Some grown rhino hide and accept what no one has control over. Others are just hurt on a daily basis and will probably remember the hurtful things even after the patient is in another world. It's very sad
My mom has not been diagnosed with the above but her massive stroke along with UTI behaviors - delirium’s - and just a broken brain has had me constantly apologizing for her or on constant guard to protect those who are helping us from feeling the hurt that I do endure at times.
I respect that sometimes people just are not a good match (it can be from their own life traumas or just their own burnout). I respect your decision but I am also so in awe of those who stay with us when things are harder. I truly would not survive without the few who stayed. If you feel it was taking away from what you could give someone else as well as your own life and family then I think you just have to trust that.
I have experienced through these 2 years verbal attacks from my mom (who was my best friend my entire life - world best mom - not perfect but just a good human) her behaviors usually arise from a UTI or infection and she says things my pre-stroke Mom would never say. She was a “helper” in the world and not unkind. Many of her outburst come around bath - changing and washing up or even times there is too much stimulation - noise - too many people talking or touching her cleaning wounds etc. Her stroke brain can become easily overwhelmed when too much is going on and she will lash out.
I recently just found out less than 48 hours ago she was sexually abused as a child. For 2 years some bath and wash up would create such anxiety and literally emotionally exhaust me. To hear her tell me this happened to her as a child - it was as if many of her struggles began to line up. First - I couldn’t believe the mom who told me everything (yes we were that close) held back and never told me this until now. We all have triggers from past traumas and I think you recognize that yours are not a good match with your patient. That’s okay and it’s honorable for you to admit it. Keep helping those who you can and know daughters like me appreciate anyone who is brave enough stay and be with us but also respect those who can admit their own weaknesses and recognize maybe they cannot give what someone else needs.
Any caregiver on any level is an Angel in my eyes. If your helping people - your a good soul.
abusive behaviour very often part of dementia... you .. and family could say ... it’s very hurtful when you say that to me ... would you like apologize... and I’m sorry if I’ve done anything to upset you ... very often they will soon after.
working with dementia patients requires a lot of compassion ... many are aware of everything they’ve lost...dignity independence .. they’re confused angry ...fearful and helpless to reverse situation. Not all are passive and compliant ... dementia patients can be very aware .. so it’s good put yourself in their shoes ... some caregivers much better than others in these situations
Yes it could be the dementia but even with dementia SOMETIMES repeated behavior can be changed. But it is not as easy as simply asking it has to be consistent.
As in ANY workplace or any job there will be personality conflicts
If at any time you feel uncomfortable you have the right, and I would say the obligation to yourself to stop the action that makes you feel uncomfortable.
If you work for an agency you report to your supervisor and ask for a change, if that does not work you go to HR.
If you work privately you tell your employer that you are uncomfortable and you give notice. (2 weeks would be nice but if they tell you "don't come back tomorrow" gather your things and leave at the end of your shift.)
YOU decide what is too much for YOU
There are all forms of dementia and some more than others come with behavior issues and that is part of the job BUT abuse does not.
If this client does not meet your standards, you are right to drop him.
Don't doubt yourself.
You did the right thing
Prior to Feb 2021 we were able to care for him at home. He ended in the hospital for a UTI and ended up with a foley that is now going to be permanent. We knew he couldn't come back home. We worked with an AL facility that was aware of the catheter and moved him in March. Now the facility says he is in need of more care, because of the foley, combatativeness (mostly yellowing and cussing) and needs to be moved.
Since either my sister or I go to the facility every day, we see many of the different forms of dementia. We see the other LO's struggling, too. The statement of, " If the family thinks verbal abuse is okay, to me that's a bad sign of what they would anticipate a caregiver to tolerate, and it wouldn't surprise me if it became worse", comes from lack of knowledge of what that dementia patients' journey is. I was always taught (and by my dad, not doubt) to "never judge a person until you live their life for just 24 hours!"
You, as a caregiver, have the right to work with the types and forms of Alzheimers patients you can tolerate. And it's a disservice to the patient if the family isn't 100% open and honest with you.
Dementia or no dementia, I will not tolerate him being ugly to her.
The family could have said something to the person who posted, apologizing for the client's rudeness , if nothing else. It's hard enough to find a kind, efficient, compassionate caregiver without allowing someone to just be hateful.
We all need boundries and this was yours. You did what is good for you.
I hope you find a client that isn’t abusive in the future.
Perhaps you could ask questions that would give you a clue to their personality and hope the family doesn’t embellish the truth when they answer your questions.
My husband’s grandmother was a horribly mean woman. She didn’t even have dementia. She was that way her entire life!
She was so mean to my mother in law, her only child that her daughter would have never been interested in having her move into her home after her dad died. She insisted on staying in her large two story house.
She refused going into assisted living. She had loads of money!
So, my mother in law hired two women for daytime and two women for nighttime and paid them each double their normal salary just to keep them!
My mother in law said that it was worth every penny spent!
She still had tons of money left over after she died.
Maybe some people dealing with situations like this will have to end up hiring private care like my mother in law did an pay them lots extra!
"Dad! That was mean, I don't accept that kind of language in this house"
turns to caregiver "I'm so sorry"
That is surely not too much to ask.