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I recently moved back to Florida to be closer to my aging parents after 30 years of living in a different state. My older brother (51) who lived just a few miles away from my parents and helped them from time to time suddenly just passed away from a fatal heart attack. We were all so shocked and unprepared for this next phase of our lives without my brother. I am 49 and the ONLY child of 2 aging parents now.


I decided to buy a small house a few miles away from my parent’s house to be close to them especially now that they have no-one at all involved in their lives. They have lived in the same house and neighborhood for almost 30 years and somehow they have found a way to completely isolate themselves from the world. They have NO friends or family members AT ALL. Just me.
I was not aware of this when I decided to quit my job and dismantle my entire life to move closer to them.
My mother is 78, beginnings of dementia, OCD, agoraphobic and mental illness. My father is 76, bipolar, and has other mental issues but otherwise healthy and handles most everything for my mom and the household.


With my limited savings, I decided to take some time off from work and settle into my new lifestyle, try to make new friends and a new life. I am a single mom and my 16 year old daughter lives with me. (She too started a new life).
Here is my dilemma…..


My father comes over my house almost every day unannounced!!
He never calls to warn us he’s coming over. He just shows up!!
He shows up during all times of the day/night sometimes even 2x a day.
He popped in a dropped off a pizza yesterday, he thinks that a pizza makes his behavior ok.


Sometimes he stops by just to gossip about my mother and her deteriorating health.


He barges in the front door without knocking and expects me to stop what I’m doing to entertain him.


He will walk in my house, make himself a cup of coffee sit on the couch and start talking about my brother and how devastated he is and starts crying and moaning about how much he misses him.


Sometimes he stays for 3 hours


If the front door is locked, he will walk around the back yard and peek in the windows and knock on them until I stop what I’m doing and frantically open the front door.


He walked in on my daughter while she was getting out of the shower the other day and I think we have developed PTSD from all of this.


He is nosey and asks my daughter intrusive questions about how I am able to afford to live without a job and how much my bills are.


He pretends to come over to help fix a leaky faucet or fix a broken tile and carries a tool box but ends up just wanting to talk and ask intruding personal questions or cry about my dead brother or gossip about my deteriorating mother.


I am not accustom to having an open door policy and do not appreciate my father stopping by, dropping in, barging into my house unannounced and so frequently. I feel he is very inapropriate. I have gently asked him over 10 times if he could please stop coming over to my house everyday but he will take a break for 2 days and the same cycle starts over again. I feel guilty because they are alone but I can not fill the void they have and be depended upon to entertain my dad everyday!


This has been going on for 5 months now and I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE!!! I am about to sell my house and move back to where I came from and never come back again!


My daughter and I are so depressed with PTSD symptoms and feel like we can’t make a new life because of my dad and his demanding, intruding and obnoxious habits. My mother does not know about this and I doubt she would even fully understand. I know my father needs an outlet but I don't want to be it!!


I don’t know what else to do, he just won’t respect my boundaries.


Is his behavior part of the aging process?

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This is NOT normal behavior. Not a normal part of aging.

It sounds as though your father has significant mental illness. He needs the help of professionals.

How much thought went into uprooting yourself and your daughter? It sounds like it was a very illadviswd move. Your first obligation is to your minor child. You need to make sure that she has a safe, secure and unambivalently accepting home base from which to launch.

You are being distracted from your primary jobs in life (to work, be productive, secure your own retirement and launch your child) by parents whose jobbit was to secure their future.

They have Social Security, a home and access to social services. Arrange for a visit from the Area Agency on Aging. Tell them that you are here temporarily to set up care. And get back to your life.
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You say that your Dad is bipolar, so it is hard to say whether this is aging process or combination, or just bipolar disease which isn't well treated. I am uncertain how much contact you had with your brother who was dealing with all of this before his death, so am uncertain how much you knew or guessed you might be in for.
After all you wrote, what you said in the end is the only thing that makes any sense to me. You have a daughter who is at a crucial juncture in her life and now you are not working, are in fact perhaps going through savings you are going to need. I am fearful for you both.
My advice is something I don't even know whether is advice or just telling you what I would personally do. Hon, I would run like crazy. That's just me. I have always admitted here I am a bit of a coward, and not up for hands on this kind of care, but I could not do this. My only strong suit is I know my limitations, and I am very limited. I would be out like a shot. I am 77. You have parents both younger than me. In today's day and age they could live well into their 90s. Are you ready to sacrifice your life to this.
Without you they are alone and without anyone. I understand what I am saying. They would eventually be wards of the system.
I will tell you right now that the more inmeshed in this you become, say taking on POA or Guardianship, the more you will not be able to move away. And the more loss for you will literally risk your own sanity trying to give care in this manner.
If you suspect your parents are endangered then it has to be a call for wellness checks after you are gone.
I know how hard it will be--I imagine how difficult that is to say, to leave. But if you stay, this is your life. No. Worse. Your life will get worse. And no, your Dad won't respect your boundaries, and it will get worse.
I am so sorry. Wish you had visited before you made this move.
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anonymous950028 Sep 2019
You are right, I wish i had visited before. Thank you for taking the time.
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It maybe loneliness. Mom probably can't carry on a decent conversation because of the dementia.

You really shouldn't "move back". Dad is going to need you as Mom progresses. I have a feeling you are going to have to be a little "mean". Sometimes that is the only way to be. Sit him down and look him in the eye. Tell him he CANNOT just come over when he wants. You are not comfortable with an "open door" policy. He needs to respect your privacy. If he can't do it, you will move back to your previous home. He needs to call if he wants to visit. Which will not be everyday. Tell him in this Day and Age people do not "drop in" anymore. When he does visit you can nicely say "Dad, its time to go home" after an hr or so. You don't have to sit and talk to him. Keep doing what you were doing. Go where you planned on going.

Maybe you should find a job. Even part-time. This way you have a good excuse, sorry Dad I have had a hard day. Sometimes being blunt is the only way to be. My MIL was an early riser, I wasn't. I upset her one time telling her that I really don't like company before 12 noon. I worked f/t at the time and the weekend was the only time I could sleep in.
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rovana Sep 2019
Wouldn't it be wiser to move and help parents at a safe distance? It looks like there is a real sexual, mental illness issue and it is not fair to land that on the daughter. If this is being driven by guilt feelings, then why not look at the situation with a cool head - there is no basis for guilt since other alternatives are available to help. Better one, actually.
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I moved to be close to my parents too a very long time ago, mostly at that time to help my mom take care of my grandmother. I did not know exactly what I was getting into when I made the move. But I made my home here and have done well. I suggest you become very familiar with bipolar and his other mental issues. The information will help you to deal with him, but he should be able to understand that he cannot walk in on you. Could you tell him that you will visit him when you have the time and that you will invite them to your house also when it is convenient for you? I know you already told him to not come so often and he didn't understand. It will have to be repeated in different ways until he gets it. A do not disturb note on the door? Offer to find him a counselor to talk to about the death of your brother to help him through it. Do not entertain him if he keeps coming. Ask him to leave. Sometimes we have to behave in a way that is not natural to us in order to make others understand what we mean. By the way, my brother is bipolar. He does not always get social cues, talks out of turn and off the subject, and is reclusive with no friends. I do understand a bit what you are going through.
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sunshinestate01—-please listen to AlvaDeer and BarbBrooklyn.....so sorry you are dealing with this, but i too, would leave. It is only going to get worse....
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Here's the thing, Sunshine. If you have elderly parents who understand that they need help and that you, their child, has their best interests at heart and they are willing to cooperate with your caregiving, all is well. That is the situation that, blessedly, my brothers and I found ourselves in.

And let me tell you, even with cooperation, it was a hard, hard road.

By contrast, I have watched relatives and close friends deal with parents suffering from mental illness, entitlement issues and life-long enmeshment. It's a destructive course. I wonder, parenthetically, if your brother's heart ailments might not have been exacerbated by frustration from caring for your parents.

The confounding factor here is your daughter. She is my primary concern (and should be yours). It is not fair to ask her to give up her life, her privacy, access to her friends and accustomed school in favor of your caregiving for your parents.
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You mentioned in another thread that you believe your father has a sexual issue. That sounds an alarm bell when it comes to walking into the bathroom where your daughter is getting out of the shower. Even though his issue is with romancing other adult women, I would be very careful and set very clear boundaries if you decide to stay there. His behavior is not part of the normal aging process. Your daughter is at a very vulnerable time in her life. If you model poor boundaries, such as allowing boundary crossing by your father, she will grow up to let males cross her boundaries. This is very serious for both of you.
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AlvaDeer Sep 2019
Wow, I wasn't aware of that. Don't remember it. Have no idea how to look up the threads from the past. Yes, that is NOT GOOD. Time to get out of there.
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Your first responsibility is to your daughter. Based on what I've read, you father has some very disturbing behaviors, this is not about you entertaining him, he has some mental issues.

I would move away with your daughter, to keep her off his radar.

Your parents are not that old, they can take care of themselves now, you can always come back later, after your daughter is on her own.
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You are in a really difficult position. It’s not bearable now, but if you cut and run, you obviously aren’t going to feel good. If your parents’ house is ‘a few miles away’, you father must be driving to get to you. It sounds as if he is doing his level best to get away from your mother, who is left at home. He has probably been stuck at home with her for a long time, as you say she has agoraphobia as well as other problems.

Could you sell your father on moving into AL? There would be more company, and different things for him to do, as well better care for your mother. You could play up how difficult she will be for him as her health deteriorates, particularly as ‘you unfortunately have to move back home again’. You could take your father to see a few AL places, and get him to see it as positive for him, particularly socially. Your daughter might find it good for morale to know that you are working on a positive plan, and add her own support for the move.

If this worked, you could get well away but still feel that you have achieved something. It might also help you to cope with the extra pressures that are bound to come in the next 10 years, unless you leave and cut contact completely.
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anonymous950028 Sep 2019
Thank you for the nice reply.
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I would move away . ASAP . I honestly don't know where to begin, if you can, talk to there doctor, other healthcare professionals, about all this, a social worker. don't know much about your parents, but if they can still take care of themselves, then obviously, they don't need you as much as they think they do. If they actually NEED help, then that's a different story. Look into different options, a companion, a caregiver to stay at the house with them for a few hours, adult daycare, nursing home, assisted living, 24/7 hr care, living in care, ect. Talk to other family members about what your going through, ask there opinion on all this. But reach out for help NOW. First thing, talk to a social worker . Because it sounds like there behavior isn't going to stop . So first thing, before you move away, find a solution to all this, that way both you and them can have some peace. I hope everything works out for you.
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anonymous950028 Sep 2019
Thank you for the nice reply.
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Get a restraining order.....

Or lock all of the doors, put your shades down and REFUSE to answer the door. He will only respect your boundaries if you enforce them. You may have to go to extreme measures to enforce them. Right now - he keeps pounding until you answer. Don't answer - put on headphones. You need to out last him.

I would not let him in my house but see them at their house. If they start intrusive questions - excuse yourself and leave.

Depending on your financial circumstances - you might have to move.
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Put a gate up to stop him getting to the backyard. When he arrives unannounced tell him you are off out in 5 mins. If need be put your coat on and escort him back to the door .... next time he tries tell him the same thing. Be busy - say thanks but we’ve already eaten but I’m sure you and mum can eat that pizza.

Invite him for set times and stick to them. If you can cope with 2 hrs then make some that long - others might be only an hour. If you have to, see him to the door and drive off in your car. If he arrives outside those times just tell him when you are expecting him and say it’s inconvenient now. Put a chain on your door and use it so he can’t barge in.

Put a big notice on the bathroom door called courtesy rules and a subheading to knock first if door shut and wait to see if occupied. Yell if he breaks that rule.

When he cries about your brother or gossips about your mum - that’s a toughie - though there may be help from their doctor since it sounds like they need more help than you can provide alone. And just maybe suggesting it might get him to stop since he might not want a doctor involved.

Re the intrusive questions - if he questions your daughter her reply to him is quite simple “I don’t know as it’s none of my business.” Repeat as nes. If he then starts questioning you just smile and say it’s “ok dad - no need for you to worry.” The next time “dad you’ve asked me that - it’s fine’ 3rd time and onwards “ dad - stop it - i don’t cross question you repeatedly”.

You moved for a new life and to help them. The new life includes going out with new friends or to hobbies - not being indoors for him to visit when he chooses.

He may be offended - tough. He will learn you mean it if you stick to it all during the first few tough times.

Good luck and stay firm so you get your new life and still feel happy to help them as you’d originally planned.
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Intherecliner Sep 2019
This post really caught my eye since I have been in situations nearly identical to this one. I am amazed to see that most of the answers here are empathetic. In my own case, the advice to "just tell him..." is useless since most of the individuals doing this abuse are manipulative and find ways to go deaf when they want to. I should not really have to ask anyone to respect my privacy in the bathroom and should not have to ask anyone to stay out of my bedroom and not intrude into my life when I have no way to stand up to them. I also have post-traumatic stress disorder and the ongoing abuse kept me in a constant rage. In my own case, I have run into conceited insensitivity and trivialization and the idea that "we're listening to your b...s...." and "I think he should be able to go in there anytime he wants and do whatever he wants while he's in there," and "you don't really mean that," and "I don't feel sorry for you," or "you have to stay home and deal with your problems at home..." I was underaged when I ran into the problem of people bursting into my room and this continued into my adulthood and was part of what caused me to move far away. Moving an hour away did not clear up this problem and certain family members still invited themselves there as well as more people intruding into my life. Later on, my medical providers who were supposed to be protecting me were broadcasting my business to my abusers like it didn't matter, or with the excuse that "I can legally give information to your immediate family..." I could never get anyone to help me when I talked about relatives and other people who force themselves into my bedroom, bathroom, or house and into my business and have me in a straitjacket also insist on broadcasting my business (including my medical history) and making me look like an idiot and twisting the truth and giving me a reputation. This involves lying because I did not agree to have anyone force themselves into my business and publicly broadcast my business to anyone who they see fit and when their company consists of ignorant snobs and overgrown eight-year-olds waiting to pass a judgement. People who behave this way do not always have dementia and can still be out working and socializing and have a lot of relatives and friends on their side. I'm relieved to see in this thread that the O.P.s feelings are not being ignored like mine were.
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There is a reason they don't have a single friend. They could have a social life with clubs and meetings and volunteering. Your life could go on like this for 20 years if you don't make a change. I am so sorry about your brother leaving at such a young age, but don't let guilt guide your life decisions.
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anonymous950028 Sep 2019
You are right hannahBN, guilt is the main reason I would stay. Thank you for the helpful reply.
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OMG I am in Florida, an only child, with two aging parents that moved four houses away from me and self-isolated. It's been a nightmare!!!!! They have brought so much drama and ugliness into my life I will never feel the same way about my family or my past. It's all ruined, all of it.
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anonymous950028 Sep 2019
It's ALSO been a nightmare for me!!! My parents have brought so much drama and ugliness into my life and I will never feel the same about my family too!!
My life was somewhat normal and peaceful before, so how can 2 little aging people cause so much unhappiness and pain in ones life?? I haven't even begun discussing my mother's problems!!
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I agree with everybody; lock the door, pull down the shades, and ignore, ignore, ignore... What I'm concerned about (besides your sanity), is how you have a 16-year-old daughter and you don't ALWAYS lock the bathroom door. Teens need privacy. We all need privacy. That incident would never have happened if you taught your daughter to lock the bathroom door.
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pamzimmrrt Sep 2019
I have to sort of laugh about always locking the bathroom door. We never lock ours,, if it's closed.. pretend its locked. People fall ( my mother has, and so have I ) If I hear a loud thud,, that door is going to open! I don't even think our bedroom doors lock anymore. My SILs mom fell in the bathroom, and by the time they got her grandson into the window she was dead. I also have another friend whos hubs fell, took the firemen to get in to him. I think the bigger issue if the grandfather... with no sence of boundries
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If you have already discussed this with him, he will never get it or care to get it. Sorry to say, but you're going to have to move a little further away.
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Your dad isn't going to change his behavior as is shown by his disregard to your requests. So you can either let it disrupt your life, drive you over the edge and terrorize your daughter OR you can move back. It is not written anywhere that you have to move to where your parents live. Also, at your age, as a single mom, you really need to look after you. By that I mean, have a job with an income so that it is going towards your retirement needs. What about your daughter's college? Or she could join the military and take advantage of the GI bill. I don't see any good out of this mood other than it brought on by your brother's death and subsequent guilt to "do good". Please lay the cards on the table and realize what you are in store for. A life of disruption, emotional health issues and no income towards your future.
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anonymous950028 Sep 2019
I just took time off work to adjust my daughter and I to our new surroundings. I have a career and plan on going back as soon as I make the final decision if I'm staying or going back. My daughter's college is taken care of and my retirement looks average. My biggest issue here is Guilt.
You are right. Guilt is the only reason I would stay.

Thank you for the reply.
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Where is the part about you moving there to help them? It seems your dad needs help! He is lonely and grieving the loss of his son and, probably, his wife. I didn't read anything in your letter where you were actually helping them. I would get them involved in a good church and the local senior center. Your dad needs/wants something to do. Otherwise, they should probably be in an assisted living facility.
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Get out. Fast. Your father has entirely too many issues for you to 'fix', and we all know that's not going to happen, so your only option is to move far away. And your daughter should NOT have to lock the bathroom door to stay safe from her grandfather. Re-read that sentence, then re-read it again, and then MOVE away, for everyone's good. You're talking about sexual issues, shoplifting issues, and now boundary issues where he's barging into your home unannounced and uninvited, and refusing to respect your requests not to. How much more do you need to have happen before you realize this situation is not working out?
Do whatcha gotta do here, my friend. And all the best of luck
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Please move away!! You need to get far far away!! It’s not going to get better. It’s going to get worse!!!
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Run! Get out! Go quickly!
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I know this sounds ridiculous but it feels to me that you are being stalked by your own father! Here is an interesting article about how stalking effects victims... ofcourse they end up with PTSD! https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/media-spotlight/201805/what-is-the-psychological-toll-stalking
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You can’t fix him so fix things for yourself. Step one put a chain on all outer doors when you are home. He can’t get in and you don’t have to answer the door. My father would show up unannounced after my mom died. Just let himself in. Scared us to death. I started locking the deadbolt. That helped
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Agree with others, these are mental illness issues, not normal aging issues. Suggest you focus on your daughter's needs 1st, yours 2nd, and your parents 3rd.

Moving a bit away so that you can do visits and checks but it's too inconvenient for them would be a good thing.

Also, even mentally ill people have grief and loneliness. Your dad needs someone to help work him through his grief as well as dealing w y our mom. Perhaps the best you can do is arrange for caregivers to go there regularly and make sure they are cared for, on any meds they need to have and getting adequate medical and counseling care.

But dad's behavior, to me, signals someone who is fixating on your young daughter. As a "survivor" my advice is GET HER AWAY FROM THERE.
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I would advise moving away, going back to your career and getting you daughter and yourself into a safe place.  No need to feel guilt - you can advise and help at a distance.  I suspect what is going on here is that mom and dad isolated themselves, glommed onto your brother to meet needs, social and otherwise, and now he is gone, want to have you take that place.  It will get worse, much worse, as they decline. You and you daughter should not let yourselves be pulled into what is a nightmare of enmeshment with your parents. Basically they need to make decisions - especially your father, about their future, rather than piling into your "boat" and letting you do for them. That just puts off the evil day when they and you are stuck with some nasty realities, like mom's growing dementia. Your father is not dealing with their problems, just putting them down some road. Truly you need to protect yourself and especially your daughter's future. She comes before you parents.
Now, if they are truly willing to listen to advice (at least your father), then you can steer them toward AL, home help, senior center, etc. etc. - some actual solutions. And you can do this from a distance, perhaps more effectively than if you were right there and your sanity was being impacted by the immediate day to day issues.  Be very careful about guilt - it is an emotion, BUT it is crucial to examine the situation and see if guilt is truly warranted.  Reason, not emotion.
So far, you are not trapped - please get away before you are.
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I feel your pain. My husband and I had to move my mil and FIL in 2016 because mil was diagnosed with final stage of cancer. We live in a 2 bedroom small home. Mil passed in Jan 2017. Since then FIL lives with us. Because we have a small house we no privacy. Also he asks where we are going, when we will be back, as if we were children. We literally go into our bedroom for privacy. I try to reflect on the fact that he has no where else to go, and he needs us. However I have struggled with the loss of privacy and I feel so so guilty when I start feeling like I can’t even be near him. He always talks about himself. And the funny thing is he was not a good husband in that he drank and treated his wife horribly. It now he talks as if he was model husband and had best marriage. I don’t think he is aware of what I have seen and was told by mil and his kids. I wish I had option to move away but I don’t. I would suggest that you decide how you see the years play out. I don’t know why parents think they can be so intrusive to their adult children. Today I take it Day by day. I try to just put up with my ever present FIL and try to find some kindness and compassion in my heart instead of the resentfulness I feel.
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I strongly dislike people dropping by without notice (always have) family or not - always appeared rude & selfish to me. If you have stated *please call first* then it's definitely rude & shutting them out whatever way works is entirely appropriate - it's your space. I'd lock the doors immediately.

Tell Dad again "please call me first to make a time to visit that suits us BOTH. I expect that courtesy".

If he continues to drop by, tell him again & also say you will not open the door next time. Then keep to that.

I had to do that to a SIL. She lives very close & jusy kept on & on ignoring my request. She expected (as we were family) that she could pop round anytime she felt like it - said I could too but I pointed out she had previously asked all family to txt her (not phone) as being a shift worker she did not want to be disturbed by a phone ringing!! (Let alone visitors!) She still didn't see the double standard... so I just didn't open the door the next few times she visited. She then started calling my mobile from the porch instead. My husband & I realised she has no ability to plan ahead. All her holidays are *last minute deals*, she does everything (except work) spur of the moment. We can't change her but if I am home alone I keep quiet & just don't open the door (she assumes I've gone for a walk). My husband dislikes it but lets her in & bustles about her doing whatever he was doing, giving zero attention & ignoring her. He will often go outside & start mowing the lawn or turn on a power tool! I need to bet better at this!

Let your Dad bang & hollar. If it gets too scary though, you may need to call the Police.

I'm pretty sure (if in your shoes) I would move back. Wear the disruption & costs but chalk it up as life experience - a good investment towards creating a better guilt-free future for you: where Dad arranges his own life, or if he can't, a guardian is appointed (may be you if you choose) & your parents are moved to AL, Memory Care whatever their needs are & funds allow. Where you are still a caring daughter - who phones to say hello & arranges social workers/case manager or whatever by phone. Just not the hands-on maid, driver, all emotional support & entertainment.

Explain to your parents you have been greatly saddened by the loss of your brother, but it's time to return to your life now.

Good luck & keep posting if it helps you.
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Your dad isn’t going to change his behavior. If he hasn’t listened by now, he most likely won’t.

Do you like living there? Does your daughter? The two of you have to decide for yourselves where you choose to live.

It’s sweet of you to be concerned. You can still call and talk to him. You can visit when you are able to make a trip to see him.

Sorry that you have been so stressed.

I think I would return to my home if I were miserable. Guilt isn’t a good reason to stay.

Take care.
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